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Str, I'm trying to acquire a little more about herd bureaucracy. You mentioned early on in the thread that horses run faster for some jockeys than others, which I establish very intriguing. Do you know of racing examples, or possibly training buddies, where horses respond differently to the presence of other horses? Can other horses bring out the best or deflate a horse?

Q. Str, I'thousand trying to learn a little more than about herd hierarchy. You mentioned early on in the thread that horses run faster for some jockeys than others, which I found very intriguing.

A. For the most part, these type of horses actually run Ok for many jockeys but run their all-time for a certain type of jockey. That certain type might be a rider that sits still more so than most, or has very light hands as compared to most, or in plenty of cases with my barn, they run much better for a female rider than for a male rider and usually for a certain(whoever that might be) female passenger rather than say /ALL female person riders.
Bottom line, they are quirky horses that certain types of riders or styles bring out the best in them. Normally not the best rider in the room, but a certain mode of rider.

You will see this much more often with depression to mid level claimers. I'1000 not talking stakes horses when I speak near this . Maybe now and and then with better horses, merely mostly cheaper horses . At least that was my experience with that .

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Practice you know of racing examples, or perhaps training buddies, where horses reply differently to the presence of other horses? Tin can other horses bring out the best or deflate a horse? A. We certainly are enlightened of the presence of a lot of pace, or lack of footstep in any particular race, especially longer races. Certainly, that immensely helps or hurts a speed horses chances or a deep closer for certain. To a lesser degree but still somewhat a stalker or mid range closer. Footstep about Ever makes or breaks a race. But I never was fabricated enlightened from some other trainer or realized myself, that the presence of an exact equus caballus bettered or worsened my horses, or their horses chances other than the step factor I spoke about.

The exception to that would be a non gelded horse, that was a bit more over sexed than almost , if a filly or mare was in that race ( which would exist rare just does happen).

Especially if they are next to one another in the gate. It won't bother the mare or filly only the colt/equus caballus tin get all worked upwards and have his mind on other things instead of racing. Just like some guys sometimes right? Lol. We all knew that guy growing up that was e'er drawn to the lady in the room and could not keep his mind on concern for at least a few minutes.

Equally for the last part of the question, yes, superior horses can break a horses eye almost immediately upon the gates opening or presently thereafter because that horse senses, and simply knows, that they are waaaay outclassed. Think of the horses like people. They have personalities as well. Some are aggressive, some meek and balmy, some ultra competitive, some somewhat competitive . Some are much smarter than others. Some are more than shy than others.
Heck, I feed some deer in my backyard during the winter and I see it all the time in them. Bullies, shy ones, take no crap ones, etc. And not just bucks. I see momma deer that have no crap from anyone. They are leaders and the boss, non followers. And the followers know it.

I hateful, if I come across it in deer and I admittedly saw it in race horses, and we see it everyday in people, chances are information technology is everywhere. It is unquestionably in race horses. I saw information technology all the time.

You know how now and and so nosotros volition see a stakes race where some equus caballus is entered that always goes to the front in minor stakes and allowance races, maybe from a lesser rails and usually stays on to win wire to wire. Then, they attempt running against a really practiced stakes horse or horses at for example Saratoga in a Form i , I mean really good horses that also shows speed. You might figure that those cheaper speed horses might bear witness speed to the far plough going ii turns and then fade but they never get closer than 7th early and end final? And the fractions early are not much different than what the cheaper equus caballus is used to running.

We've seen enough of examples of that before. Well, they , for the most part, as I don't want to say ALL as some might take had some other legit excuse, realized probably before the gates opened or very soon thereafter, that they were style over there head, and by a lot.

As a result, they became intimidated and gave upwards, and in plenty of cases before 15 seconds of the race, if that, was run. I mean, they certainly were not tired at that point. They were mentally taken out of the race.

When you see that blazon of no effort from an otherwise consistent horse that steps manner upwards to try the big horses, more oft than not, it'due south what I just explained.

Hope that helps respond your questions.